Rogan Kinnear
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I'm in Australia so can't recommend any statesideI'll get it done just to see how it comes out. Any recommendations are welcome .
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I'm in Australia so can't recommend any statesideI'll get it done just to see how it comes out. Any recommendations are welcome .
I agree. And I have seen no evidence that the Postal Service is subsidizing Amazon. While no detailed accounting is available, my reading of sources including the Wall Street Journal suggests that USPS is making a modest profit (contribution to overhead) from the Amazon deal.How did we get from a broken stock repair to USPS political appointees, Bezos & the "socialists agenda". Please guys, this has been the one place I can go & not have to hear a political rant or conspiracy theory. Let's keep the political crap out of our forum. Thanks!!
Ouch I feel your pain Sometime wonder if UPS has some anti gun workers who intentionally damage thempayGood luck
That's actually a BATF regulation, not just UPS. As I recall, dealers can use 2-day between FFL holders, but a private party shipping to a dealer has to use next day. An FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL by USPS, but a private citizen cannot. I researched this a while back when I sent a handgun to a C&R holder in Connecticut. The BATF regs, and the rules applied by each carrier, were unbelievably complex. If I've misstated anything here, it's an honest mistake.UPS will only ship handguns by next day air because so many were getting stolen if they went regular ground shipping. So, not only do their employees intentionally damage firearms, they are criminals, as well.
Thanks for the clarification, icebear! I know all the handguns that come into the gunshop I smith for all come regular ground, but they all come from distributors. I have purchased handguns from individuals off the net that shipped ground to the shop(FFL). So is it possible they were in violation shipping that way? Seems they have come from multiple shipping services addressed to a gun shop, so it's not like they were hiding it. Can't be too careful with this stuff. I need to research some more!!That's actually a BATF regulation, not just UPS. As I recall, dealers can use 2-day between FFL holders, but a private party shipping to a dealer has to use next day. An FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL by USPS, but a private citizen cannot. I researched this a while back when I sent a handgun to a C&R holder in Connecticut. The BATF regs, and the rules applied by each carrier, were unbelievably complex. If I've misstated anything here, it's an honest mistake.
Oh, and the reason BATF wrote the rule on shipping handguns was a previous incident with UPS employees stealing handguns from packages. This was in Virginia, back when I lived there in the 90's and early 2000's.
Let us know what you find. I'm not sure I got every jot and tittle right.Between BATF, UPS, and FedEx I was seeing double by the time I'd read all three sets of rules, which of course are written in a mixture of legalese and Sanskrit. In any case, I doubt that every box containing a handgun is declared or that every storefront shipping shop knows much about BATF regulations on shipping firearms. At the end of the day, enforcement is on the honor system or if the package is X-rayed by somebody who actually knows the regs. And the BATF regs are far too complex and contradictory for a mere mortal to comprehend. A while back, I helped a friend sell off her late husband's gun collection, which included an old .410 single shot pistol. That's an NFA item in its original form, but if you cut rifling in the barrel, it's just a single shot pistol. We sold that one out of state and that's when I did the research on the shipping regs. My friend is a retired detective-investigator with extensive legal knowledge (she worked for the DA), and she was absolutely dumbfounded by the complexity, internal contradictions, and downright silliness of the BATF rule book.Thanks for the clarification, icebear! I know all the handguns that come into the gunshop I smith for all come regular ground, but they all come from distributors. I have purchased handguns from individuals off the net that shipped ground to the shop(FFL). So is it possible they were in violation shipping that way? Seems they have come from multiple shipping services addressed to a gun shop, so it's not like they were hiding it. Can't be too careful with this stuff. I need to research some more!!
That's actually a BATF regulation, not just UPS. As I recall, dealers can use 2-day between FFL holders, but a private party shipping to a dealer has to use next day. An FFL can ship a handgun to another FFL by USPS, but a private citizen cannot. I researched this a while back when I sent a handgun to a C&R holder in Connecticut. The BATF regs, and the rules applied by each carrier, were unbelievably complex. If I've misstated anything here, it's an honest mistake.
Oh, and the reason BATF wrote the rule on shipping handguns was a previous incident with UPS employees stealing handguns from packages. This was in Virginia, back when I lived there in the 90's and early 2000's.
I always ship with USPS because I have a post office right next to my house and it's most convenient, and the postmaster in my small town is a 2nd amendment supporter.No, it is not BATF regulation, it is an internal policy of UPS that leaked over to Fedex. They both are anti gun and don’t care if they ship any or not. When it does come to a damage claim, they will fight it and find something wrong with how it was packaged and deny the claim.
UPS sucks and Fedex can kiss my ax too...
An excellent idea. A low-end hard case can be had as cheap as 10-15 bucks, which is more than worth it to protect a $1000 gun from shipping damage.and in some cases, requesting that it be shipped in a hard case, if possible.
How did we get from a broken stock repair to USPS political appointees, Bezos & the "socialists agenda". Please guys, this has been the one place I can go & not have to hear a political rant or conspiracy theory. Let's keep the political crap out of our forum. Thanks!!
I have a C&R License, so occasionally have a qualified gun shipped directly to me. I live in the country behind a closed gate. I was away from home one night and when I got back the next day I found a box sitting in the ditch next to my gate, dropped there by UPS.Several years ago, before I retired, I got home from work one day to find a box the size of a rifle on my front doorstep. It turned out to contain a very collectible Sako