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AII Carbine with Very Strange Modification

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Here's an AII Mannlicher-style carbine on Gunbroker that somebody has machined the Sako dovetail to take a different type of slide-off scope rings. I can't place it; maybe Talley, or CZ/Tikka? I e-mailed the seller but from the text it doesn't seem like he knows his rifle is modified. I've messaged him through GB; if I get an answer I'll post.
https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/902740205
 
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That doesn’t make much sense, but I believe you are correct. It looks like CZ / tikka to me as well.
 
Probably should be less than that. Just another example of some 'Bubba' that destroys the value of a fine rifle just because in his feeble mind he thinks he is smarter than the manufacturer.
Maybe he wanted to mount a favorite scope, but he lost more value than a new scope would have cost. I hope 'Bubba' is the one who took the loss. Sakojim.
 
The plot thickens. I received a reply from the seller, quoted below. That looks like a completely normal and original set of Sako high rings -and I don't see how they could possibly have fit on the re-machined dovetails.

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I don't know enough about Sakos to know. When I got the rifle, it came with a set of Sako rings with the see-through peep holes. The rings were mounted on the rifle and seemed to be pretty solid. I was going to sell the rings separately. A picture of the rings is attached. Sorry I don't know more and thanks.

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As I recall, the Tikka straight dovetail is wider than the rear dovetail on a Sako, and if so, the rear dovetail couldn't be modified to take it. It looks to me as if this has been machined to take a .22 rimfire tip-off mount with the front section left high on each dovetail as a recoil stop.

You used to see modifications like this in the early years of Sako production when the Sako Tapered Dovetail concept was new and unique and mostly only the factory rings were available for it, so gunsmiths improvised. But this is an A-II from the 1980's, made during a supposedly more enlightened era. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
It could be for Talley rings , stonecreek is correct it’s to narrow for tikka rings , in my opinion. 6F71E61E-C8BC-40F8-993E-D019C8E6CBFC.png
 
stonecreek said:
As I recall, the Tikka straight dovetail is wider than the rear dovetail on a Sako, and if so, the rear dovetail couldn't be modified to take it. It looks to me as if this has been machined to take a .22 rimfire tip-off mount with the front section left high on each dovetail as a recoil stop.
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For reference, the rimfire scope rail on a P72 measures 11mm on the outside of the rail (not in the groove). A CZ/Tikka rail mikes 16mm (I believe the nominal is 13mm, measured in the groove). A Talley base measures 11mm, the same as a rimfire base. One curious thing about the Talley base I have is that it has an indexing cross-groove like a Weaver mount, but the QD rings do not have cross-shafts that fit in the groove. Loosen them up a bit and they slide freely to the rear. Only thing I can figure is that maybe the fixed, non-QD rings for those bases are set up like Weaver rings with a cross-shaft that fits in the groove. Since I only have the one set of rings, I can't say for sure.

My guess is that the gunsmith who did the machining intended the dovetail for Talley QD rings - but it's impossible to know for sure. What I do know is that a very collectible AII Mannlicher .308 has lost half its value to somebody's goofy idea about mounting a scope.
 
It sold for the opening bid of $1499.99. I guess there's a sucker born every minute. The gun would have been worth that if it was intact.
 
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